WandaVision is Superincredible

[Atma]

Now that I've seen episode 7, which is absolutely the motherfucking SHIT, TITS, BALLS, VAG, SUN, STAR of the universe, I feel massively safe in saying that this series is the greatest fucking thing, among all things, of all time. Now, please know, I despise all things Marvel (almost as much as all things DC). Superhero shit is just not my thing. I'm sorry. But this? THIS? I don't even know what this is. It's .... I mean... it's just fucking ass-rippingly and heart-meltingly WONDERFUCKINGFUL. Truly. Not since the show LOST have I found myself trying to will the week to pass faster so I can see the next installment. Maybe True Detective season 1 had a little bit of that pull for me, and Season 3, okay, sure. Better Call Saul kind of. But this? This shit right here? I mean... 

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.

[Atma]

[Mister Obvious]

I sort of vaguely read the plot...

Sounds intriguing!

[Mister Obvious]

Looks like some kinda weird Dr. Manhattan meets I Love Lucy meets Bewitched...



I've only looked at it muted, I am just not ready to take the leap to watching it yet, lmao.

Something about these super old, vintage shows being modernized and parodied in the same breath is inherently unsettling.

If I get past it, I'll let you know!!!

[Mister Obvious]

I just dunno, that's all I'm sayin'.

[Atma]

I just dunno, that's all I'm sayin'.

Every episode the sitcom world advances ten years, so it's only Bewitched for the second episode. 

Whatever that thing is that is so appealing about Carol Burnett or AHS -- it's like kitsch juxtaposed to the human condition (?) -- is very present in Wandavision. 

The recreation of golden age sitcoms alone is worth the price of admission, and Kathryn Hahn, who fucking kills as Wanda's "friendly neighbor", is going to have every hole in her body filled with an Emmy. As will, I suspect, Elizabeth Olsen, who plays Wanda, and somehow manages to absolutely nail every female lead in every sitcom you can think of, dating back fifty years, all while maintaining a thread of who her 'real character' is (a powerful witch trapped in an illusion and unable to fully regain her conscious mind, blah-blah-blah-marvel comics), and I really just can't even imagine what that would require from an actor. 

Two of the things I like about it the most are: the absurd amount of creativity on display, and the fact that the cast is very clearly loving every minute of production. I love to see that, where actors are just on fire because they are in love with the script, and the premise, and the set pieces, and the level of production and care, etc.

The only unfortunate thing about it, in my estimation, is that it is connected to Marvel Comics, but I find that this world within a world is so beautifully and surreally realized that it's easy to just ignore whatever references are made to that larger context, and view it as a thing unto itself.

[Atma]

@Mo - Man, though. It's hard to know if you'll like it. I'm thinking about your taste... I feel safe in saying that you'll at least love the Agnes character, especially in later episodes. This show is vying with Righteous Gemstones for "best series I've seen so far in 2021" (Gemstones came out last year but I was late to the party).

[Atma]

AND
Evan. Fucking. Peters.

... is in it, in the latter episodes.

Evan and Emma whateverherface broke up like two years ago, so that gaping void of a pock is gone. Yes, he has had an even more nad-reducing relationship since then. But... now? He's 34, single, and helping his 10 year-old twin nephews steal Halloween candy in Wandavision.

[Atma]

Wow. The penultimate episode is so fucking bad that I now regret this entire thread. It's like the Marvel Corporation stepped in and said "this is all just way too creative for the people; let's have an hour split between CGI-drenched superwitch battles and extraneous exposition. Six episodes of pure joy is enough. We've only got two episodes left, so get all the creative people the fuck out of here and let's shit all over this thing, marvel style. Go go go!"

[Atma]

I have to say... the penultimate episode plays much stronger on the second viewing. Once I got over being butthurt that they had come out of the sitcom format and into "reality", I was able to invest a little more deeply. Also, it is definitely the most witchy episode, so it's got that going for it.

[Mister Obvious]

I was gonna try to watch this show, but apparently it's on Disney+ whatever that is and I don't think it's free. I'll check it out when it comes to Netflix or something like that, but it does look like an enjoyable show.

[Atma]

I was gonna try to watch this show, but apparently it's on Disney+ whatever that is and I don't think it's free. I'll check it out when it comes to Netflix or something like that, but it does look like an enjoyable show.

They kind of make it look like you have to order all three services (Hulu + ESPN), but you can just get Disney for $7 a month after taxes; it's not contractual so you could technically spend $7 and have full access for a month and then cancel before the next month. Also you get two full seasons of Baby Yoda...  (Aka "The Mandalorian"), which is worth about $7 an episode, really. It's not only cinematic-quality eye candy, but it bleeds human condition.

[Atma]

It doesn't stop getting better. 

What a roller coaster.

After the season finale, I felt quite certain that this was the absolute greatest show on earth, period, not hyperbole. 

Until...

THE SECOND VIEWING.

I hope people smarter than me eventually come to talk about this because I think it's important. Not in the history of any form of media exists such a phenomenon as the phenomenon presented upon

THE SECOND FUCKING VIEWING.

Once you have seen the entire series, it is the second viewing of this series that becomes THE story. Please God or Whomever, give me the words to describe this...

It's like watching an entirely different show, and it works, and I mean it works H A R D. 

It is NOT a repeated experience, it is a 

NEW

Experience.

Listen. We as humans don't even know how to feel the grief of other humans. We can sympathize and empathize, but not actually feel the grief of them. This show, through some kind of fucking herculean alchemy, upon the second viewing, makes us 

FEEL THE GRIEF OF A FICTIONAL TELEVISION CHARACTER ADAPTED FROM A FUCKING COMIC BOOK. 

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE SECOND FUCKING VIEWING. 

YOU.
FEEL.
HER.
GRIEF.
AS.
IF.
IT.
IS.
YOUR.
OWN.

I mean you fucking

F E E L 

it. 

This show is going to be talked about for many years. That's a no brainer. 

It's so much more than what it seems to be. 

So very, very much more.

Many Emmys are forthcoming. It's going to be raining Emmys on Wandavision. 

Someone should seriously get a Nobel Peace Prize for the show. Probably the director, Matt Shakman. 
And the writer, Ms. Jac Schaeffer should received the Nobel Prize for Literature. 

Yeah, okay...  I KNOW AWARDS DON'T MATTER. 

BUT THEY ALSO DO MATTER. 

BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY'RE DESERVED. 

This is one of those rare times.

[Atma]

etc., etc.

[Mister Obvious]

I only recently found out that Baby Yoda is not really Yoda as a baby, but just one of his species.

Though I'm a huge Yoda fan, I haven't seen all the Star Wars movies and especially not the new ones. I was under the impression Baby Yoda was actually IN one of the new Star Wars movies.

But then I found out it's not even him, and it's on a Disney show, not a movie!

I was a mix of disappointed and relieved.

[Atma]

I only recently found out that Baby Yoda is not really Yoda as a baby, but just one of his species.

Though I'm a huge Yoda fan, I haven't seen all the Star Wars movies and especially not the new ones. I was under the impression Baby Yoda was actually IN one of the new Star Wars movies.

But then I found out it's not even him, and it's on a Disney show, not a movie!

I was a mix of disappointed and relieved.

Dude. I know a couple ladies who are quite literally obsessed with baby yoda. To the point of absurdity. May they never see that I said that. LOL. And yes, "Baby Yoda" is just a nickname. His real name is... well, I don't want to spoil it for you, but eventually his surrogate daddy (super badass bounty hunter with a hardcore sensitive side for baby yoda) learns that the little one has a name. :)

I'm not even vaguely a star wars person. I liked the first two films from the 70's, without the digital gussying up that came later. Just the raw original two films, thank you. The third film was like some kind of muppet orgy, and the rest just forget about it, no thanks. 

But The Mandalorian? I mean... they just fucking nailed that original spirit HARD. And if the season 2 finale doesn't blow your mind and make you cry at the same time, then I don't even know.

[Mister Obvious]

WandaVision (2021) - Review & Commentary

WARNING: SPOILERS. HAPPENING. BELOW. DON'T READ IT IF YOU DON'T ALREADY KNOW.

S1E1 - "Filmed Before a Live Studio Audience"

Wow, just checking out a few promotional pics for this show... Elizabeth Olsen is really gorgeous. She has a totally amazing smile. She really looks like her sisters, but different enough so that you wouldn't necessarily think they're triplets. I hope things have been easier for Elizabeth than they were for her sisters, Mary-Kate and Ashley. Those girls really did go through a lot... their childhoods really influenced the rest of their lives in a pretty serious way. I mean, it always does, but... their early lives were particularly impactful, what with the intense spotlight of fame, and the way some of their associations and interactions with other actors turned out.

0:50 wow the vintage prowess of this show is downright impressive!

1:48 that seems harder than just putting the shit away as normal.

3:30, fuck I gotta admit... so far, I don't like either one of them.

I don't like him or her. For several reasons. I don't really like the pairing of their voices, I don't really like the way she's talking in this role (not sure what her voice usually sounds like), and his accent seems out of place in this context.

I know these are pretty wank opinions, but I have to be true.

I think the 'decade per episode' feature of this show, as OP pointed out, is pretty brilliant.  Cuz if the whole show was like this first episode, I for fucking sure would not be watching it. I'm hopeful about where this show goes from here because this is such a brilliant concept, and I'd hate to hate it.

3:40 I think the idea that they can't remember what the heart on the calendar is for is just so vaguely dumb and hilarious.

4:00 I like this Agnes character, thank God for her. The humor on this show is very 'grandpa jokey'... lmfao. It's like, sleazy car salesmen jokey. I think it's probably because that was sorta the comedy of the era and they were trying to do the '50s thing? I dunno. To me it seems a tad forced. But maybe that's the point, or their style is just lost on me. That's how it is, and that's why there are so many different types of artistry and expertise. We're not all into the same things.

4:10 she brought her a houseplant, that's pretty badass.

4:14 pause right in here somewhere, this is what I mean about Elizabeth Olsen's smile. She is insanely gorgeous, it's true... but. I mean. So are a lot of people. What's remarkable about her? Well, I would say she is on the higher end of pretty. That seems to be about it though. Low end pretty can be more multifaceted and interesting, and I'd have to know what EO is all about before I judge whether she's high end or low end pretty at the end of the day. She looks like an overly pretty girl next door type actually. I guess the spectrum of pretty is in the eye of the beholder.

4:20 "those boxes don't move themselves" roflmfaolfalofmafoafaoflal.

4:50 I wonder if the acting is intentionally weird?

5:43 I thought she was gonna burst into song and I almost grimaced, rofl. I honestly feel like it should have happened though, no BS, I was open to it. I totally would have skipped the musical sequence but deep down I kinda wanted it.

5:58 "computational forms" lol.

6:10 roflmfao @ the lyrics remark, yeah, that's so funny to think about. I guess I like Vision better than Wanda. Still don't like either one of them all that much though, there's just something off about the dynamics. I don't understand why Wanda and Vision are together.

https://time.com/5929411/vision-scarlet-...andavision

So it's SUPPOSED to come off exactly the way it's coming off. In that case I'd say they did a good job. But it's a bit... I dunno, uncomfortable isn't it? It's got such a slight undertone of eeriness to it somehow.

6:30 it makes me think about other shows I've seen where the main character is having some kinda dream, usually in the hospital or somewhere like that... and the dream is TV themed. This is a thing! It's a trope! For real.

8:00 that's a really big suit jacket.

8:55 I'm sorry but these bitches are not likable at all.

10:08 it's almost like they're implying he's holding a cigarette but he's not. He totally should be.

11:05 ROFLMAO OMG!!!

13:20 how in the fuck does she have the power to change her clothes, but she can't just summon a crazy dinner??

16:40 they need to invite her in to entertain these folks!

19:20 so this is where the dream starts to come apart, I wonder if the show will acknowledge that Wanda's in a dream state and that it's her dream.

19:33 I think this is kind of an acknowledgement. How no one reacts until she does.

21:40 those are some heavy looking eyelashes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Witch

A whole show based around the 'regular, human' version of a superhero who is in a dream state. Gotchya.

I bet she's pretty hot as the Scarlet Witch in those movies. It's another case of needing to watch all the movies etc. that came before this.

If it was a universally likable show, I'd like it without knowing the backstory.

I do think they painted this parody version of a '50s show with a heavy hand... it was a little too goofy.



S1E2 - "Don't Touch That Dial"

1:30 the lamp bit was cute, but I'm not sure why. I actually don't get it! I even thought about it super hard.

2:20 rofl okay that was funny!

2:55 so I guess this is the 60s?

3:36 indeed Bewitched was an appropriate parody choice for this show since Wanda and Vision are a married couple and there are parallels. A lot of shows in that era started out black & white and ended up in color.

6:20 his makeup is amazing. This video talks about the makeup process: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ONkDjaUZs

15:20 uh oh, this is getting juicy!!!

15:35 another meltdown moment.

"Who's doing this to you, Wanda?" Kinda begs the question of whether this dream state is being forced upon Wanda.

The effects of the color working its way in to the show is great, really well done. It really is sort of a disturbing show though.

I don't think it's a great show by any means, but artistically it is pretty well done. It has that 'film student art project' kinda feel in some ways. Only, not as good. Lol!

18:35 this 'for the children' thing is also kind of creepy... there aren't even children anywhere in the audience. The whole show has this creepy undertone.

19:28 lmao.

19:40 seems like they're smearing TPTB's faces in shit by telling the masses that they're lied to, to their freaking faces while they're treated WORSE than orphans... treated more like CATTLE to the slaughter!!!

22:22 "out of MYSELF!" roflmfaoflamfaololol, that's some good shit. "I'm doin' it!" ROFLMFAO.

27:15 whoa, this scene is kinda hot.

28:57 these effects are really pretty.



S1E3 - "Now In Color"

2:27 so now it's the 70s.

7:56 "IT STOPPED!" lol okay, this is pretty great.

18:35 dumb as shit but I'm glad they got it over with fast. I don't like the whole child birthing thing being brought into sitcoms.



S1E4 - "We Interrupt This Program"

1:28 pretty cool special effects with the particles coming together... again, very well done.

6:02 so she's some kinda space traveler!? Rofl! No idea WTF is going on here.

8:45 is this even the same fucking show??

11:47 the past few episodes should have been a movie instead of a show.

14:00 this is actually a really interesting concept.

14:07 so when this outsider guy comes up through the manhole and Wanda says no, it may mean she is choosing to remain in the dream state.

26:55 this is probably the first time the show has really gotten good... almost at the end of the 4th episode.



S1E5 - "On a Very Special Episode"

1:40 now it's the 80s/90s!

2:00 seeing him dressed normally but still wearing all the makeup is a trip. Paul Bettany is kinda charming. Definitely the most likable character.

6:13 roflmao. Wow man, this episode is pretty weird so far.

18:20 so much better than the way the show started out. I'm glad they're finally explaining what's really going on and giving some backstory too.

19:40 Vision is starting to figure things out.

24:16 so this is her emerging as the Scarlet Witch.

26:30 I LOVE big 80s hair!!!

29:06 I like the makeup too.

30:50 oh this is HOT!!!!!!!!!

33:17 it's Evan Peters as Quicksilver, Wanda's brother. I just found out this episode that she's his sister. I love Quicksilver.



S1E6 - "All-New Halloween Spooktacular!"

I do have to wonder if Disney will ever make a show as good as WandaVision again.

1:50 early 2000s, unmistakable! They really nailed it! Love it!

11:55 that's a really powerful scene.

12:35 lmao wow that is fucked up.

13:18 seems like they've really run Evan Peters through the ringer. I think he hates 'em.

26:40 wow. It's a great story with great special effects.

29:35 this is really cool. It took like 4 entire episodes to get good, but now they're really delivering.



S1E7 - "Breaking the Fourth Wall"

2:08 that's a badass duvet cover.

3:30 I guess this is supposed to be like The Office.

7:23 roflmfaolololol. I can really relate to this.

7:49 "one split end away from cutting her own bangs" ROFLMAOOOO, always a huge mistake!!!

19:30 it's like when we used to imagine climbing through the TV into another world when we were kids!!!

19:58 wow I think this chick just became a superhero.

20:15 this is kind of what the air looks like... I discussed it here: https://www.sectual.com/thread-5371.html

28:10 okay that's a lot more than just a basement, lmao!

I think she's gotta stop creating this weird dream world soon because she can't keep it up much longer.

29:00 wow, this is definitely the coolest scene in the whole show so far and it belongs to Agatha!



S1E8 - "Previously On"

4:36 I guess we know who my new favorite character is!

14:30 wow, I never expected them to offer an actual explanation for Wanda's fixation on these classic TV shows. It's quite moving, I totally approve.

34:16 this is so melodramatic. But this is where it all began, wow!

34:26 it's definitely an entertaining and mostly unique story though... I think it would have made a great (kinda long-ish) movie. I think the main reason it's in show format is because it parodies TV shows.



S1E9 - "The Series Finale"

3:02 wow, this version of Vision looks like an angel, that's hot!!!

4:40 I definitely like red Vision's personality better though.

8:28 it's her "destiny" to destroy the world? Lmao, isn't that a lil much??

30:17 I like her outfit and her hair is great.

36:20 this had to be written by a Pisces.

Anyways...

I guess that's it. I guess it's over.

It was a pretty good story.

All in all the Scarlet Witch seems pretty cool...

Seems a lil too powerful to be a mere witch, but this is a universe of imagination, so...

It's an interesting story, I liked the other witch lady's purple essence better than the red color scheme, but I guess 'Purple Witch' just doesn't hit the same.

[Atma]

Fuck, that was fun to read, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm looking forward to watching it with your notes up.

The second viewing is really weird, because it's much more different than you'd expect, when you go into it realizing it's all being created by Wanda and manipulated by Agatha. Literally every scene is like a new scene; the whole vibe changes. It's a lot sadder knowing what's going to happen to Vision and so forth. The audience laughter feels more surreal and dreamlike in the second passing.

[Mister Obvious]

Yeah my take on WandaVision is pretty superficial because I find there are a few kinds of people in this world...

There are people who LOVE anime, and I will admit there are amazing truths told through anime. But I am not an anime fan.

There are people who LOVE comic books, and I will admit that there are amazing truths told through comic books, and I am low key a comic book fan.

I don't really like watching anime, although I do really enjoy SOME anime artwork.

I don't really like watching comic book movies, although I do really enjoy some of the amazing stories (and truth) shared through comic books, and some of the art is great too.

So I am one of those people who just can't 100% vibe with anime, cartoons, comics, and anything else that is not REAL imagery. Anything too fake or fantastical, I just can't really get down with it.

There are other genres too, like the hardcore fantasy movies like Narnia or whatever. I could NEVER get down with those movies man, I just can't do it. For real. I did like The Golden Compass though.

The fantasy stuff is not my forte and it's probably the reason why I can never seem to finish any fiction stories that I start. I have the essence of the story, and usually the beginning and the ending, but the in between shit? I just don't care about it. Just can't do it.

I can write ad nauseam about my opinions and psychobabble about the universe etc. but fiction? I can't.

It's a good thing my real life has been weird enough because autobiographical, I can do.

[Atma]

It's a good thing my real life has been weird enough because autobiographical, I can do.

I realize you're kind of a walking autobio with Interstellar, but obviously there so much more going on there, so I am greatly looking forward to the eventual memoir.