OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush: Elon Musk of the Sea, Titan Was His Starship

[Mister Obvious]

You would think there was some kind of abort procedure when things went wrong down there.

They tried to drop weight as soon as they heard the alarms associated with hull failure, or maybe they heard cracking sounds from the porthole...

But they were too deep in the water and there wasn't enough time to rise up to a depth with less PSI.

[Mister Obvious]

19:55 he was clearly just a really obsessed nerd when it came to this whole ocean exploration thingy. Which leads me to question... where WAS the funding for what he was doing?? Cuz it really does seem like he wanted to be the SpaceX of the ocean though. It really seems like he had big goals for "innovation" just like Elon does, so why didn't he a get a bunch of money behind it like Elon has?

Could it be because the only "alien" life that really exists within our local space neighborhood is HERE on the planet, and perhaps within the ocean's depths? Countless instances of people seeing UFOs rising out of all kinds of bodies of water, including oceans all over the world. So... is deep ocean exploration more of a threat to the official narrative of this planet's history (and humanity's origins) than traveling to space??

24:34 wow... he literally said what I said. This is much more intense than I figured it could be.

He basically said all the "alien" type of life is in the ocean and that building bases on other planets is stupid and a waste of money and Earth is the only place we should be conquering to ensure the future of humanity.

For me, this is the bottom line of the whole entire thing.

This is what Stockton Rush was trying to achieve.

He was essentially the anti-Elon, the "Team Earth" guy, the guy who understood that colonizing space is ultimately futile for reasons I've outlined in the past, and that the only real hope for humanity longterm is Earth based survival...

"The correct way to approach space travel is to do it right from the BEGINNING"
https://www.sectual.com/thread-17082.html

That means MANNED missions...

Solo missions.

The only bots or drones will be used with a human at the direct controls, or operating the secondary craft from a distance.

I am just telling you...

There are a lot of years of failure, and worst of all, INEFFICIENCY that you can be spared by just doing it CORRECTLY from the ONSET.

Manned space missions should be solo or at maximum have a very small crew.

"Interterrestrials: The 'aliens' are inner-earthlings"
https://www.sectual.com/thread-3743.html

All the space exploration crap is a red herring and attention diversion from what is UNDER the ground...

I've discussed the reasons why space exploration isn't feasible:

Interstellar travel is not possible because different stars emit entirely different particles. Beyond the magnetic field of a system's own star, there's nothing but dead space. The star system is like a bubble, and everything inside is powered by the particles of the sun. Different star systems' particles are incompatible.

Likewise, in every planet is a core that can essentially be thought of as a miniature sun. That's what it is. It's a tiny piece of sun. It has its own magnetic field, the earth's magnetosphere for example. The lifeforms which come to exist on each heavenly body do so with the elements present in the point at which they reside. For example, today's human is a surface creature, it's come to exist on the surface. The relationship with the surface and the sun, the relationship with the surface and all the surrounding elements. These relationships are precise in what they form. Humans can't exist up in the sky because the air gets too thin, they can't exist deep in the earth because it's too hot. They're lifeforms equipped for surface existence.

Therefore, they are not equipped to live in space. The farther away from their native position in the earth's magnetic field (and also the relation between that field and the sun's magnetic field), the harder it is for them to survive. There are so many threats to them in space. There's no surviving without machinery and special materials, and these materials and machines are ultimately fragile, doomed to fail because of the severity of conditions in space and on other planets.

Where humans cannot live naturally... they will not live. They will stagnate and decay, whether they "survive" for any period of time or not.

[Mister Obvious]

Maybe "they" didn't like what Stockton Rush was trying to do...

Maybe they didn't like his vision.

And if they wanted to sabotage his entire operation, it'd have been real easy to send in a plant since he was so hellbent on getting random "innovative young people" on his team.

Surfers and lesbian photographers who frequent drag queen shows, for example...

I mean, nothing against surfers and weirdos, but you see my point.

Those experts in the field with decades of experience, the '50 year old white guys' he didn't want on his team, would have been very easy to vet...

A random newly graduated person with no background, not so much.

[Mister Obvious]

I mean...

If there are advanced forms of tech navigating the oceans, and TPTB don't want anyone knowing about it...

Somebody like Stockton Rush could have been a threat to that secrecy.

Think about it...

There is no one spearheading the exploration of the ocean like there is with space...

There's no "Elon Musk" of the deep.

This underfunded Stockton guy was the only one really doing anything like this...

It was HIS operation, just like SpaceX is Elon's.

[Mister Obvious]

I've personally met several people who saw UFOs rising up out of the ocean, some of them on more than one occasion. It's a thing.

[Mister Obvious]

Rush now has a Wiki page...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton_Rush

Pretty sure he didn't before this incident.

If it starts painting him as some kind of bad guy for what went down, I think that's an indicator that they're trying to smear him.

Not saying what he did wasn't dumb/irresponsible...

I am just saying that there was a lot more to his motivations than we may have previously realized.

[Mister Obvious]

Rush married Wendy Weil in 1986. The couple had two children. Wendy Weil Rush is a great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Blun Straus, both of whom died in the sinking of the Titanic. She is Director of Communications at OceanGate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton_Rush

Straus were the ones depicted in this scene...

[Mister Obvious]

At what point in casual convo during dating do you drop the fact that you're related to people who died on the Titanic? And what came first... Stockton's interest in going to the Titanic wreckage, or knowledge of his wife's ancestors? Or is it just coincidence?

[Mister Obvious]

Stockton Rush astrological natal birth chart analysis...

Moon 14°58' Aquarius: ... Success can be achieved in philosophy or occultism, as well as in all careers involving iron and fire, from the basic blacksmith to the wealthy owner of an industrial complex [1]. It is necessary to exercise analytical thinking in order to avoid people who prefer superficial pleasures to work, and who exert a negative influence.

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Saturn 9°21' Aquarius: ... Immature and irresponsible character. ...

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Neptune 12°57' Я Scorpio: ... This degree indicates success and steady wealth. It also gives the taste for travels. ...

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Proserpina 22°40' Я Libra: ... Intellectual pursuits, particularly scientific research, are very favoured and lead to brilliant success and fame. ...

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Poseidon 15°44' Я Libra: Cheerful, caring, but frivolous character prone to self-leniency and fickleness. Romance and marriage are most likely to be the sources of setbacks and misfortunes. ...

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Apollon 26°45' Я Virgo: Clumsy, incompetent, and lazy character. One is handicapped by a lack of skills, and above all, by the certainty that wealth can be achieved without effort. ...

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Mean Lilith 17°02' Virgo: ... One's major goal is to found and run a centre dedicated to children and youths in distress, even though financial resources are not sufficient, or despite the disapproval expressed by the spouse or the other family members. ...

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Pluto 8°04' Я Virgo: ... It seems that money falls on one's laps, whether it comes through inheritance [1] or through work. However, one does not know how to deal with it, and it becomes a source of troubles because of a female's machinations. ...

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Mean North Node 15°15' Я Leo: ... This degree often warns against unreliable and dishonest employees or colleagues. ...

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Vesta 7°39' Gemini: ... Success, fame, and wealth are achieved in one's field of competence, particularly in the military and in all occupations related to fire, aviation [2][4], or in careers requiring creativity and eloquence. ...

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Juno 17°44' Taurus: ... Foolhardiness may prompt numerous enemies to take violent reprisals. ...

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Admetos 27°26' Aries: ... A female figure plays an instrumental role in one's career. She may be a powerful protector or a wealthy spouse [3]. ...

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Venus 26°08' Aries: ... One does not share the ideas prevailing in one's social background and believes that obsolete traditions need to be reformed. After having reached the peak of one's career, one is threatened by a reversal of fortune ... there is a risk of violent death or serious eye condition [4].

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Chiron 8°31' Pisces: ... For professional or political reasons, one travels from one foreign country to another. ... After a host of adventures, one eventually goes back home to enjoy a quiet, simple, and happy life amid a host of vivid memories.

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Jupiter 1°16' Pisces

Carefree, lazy, and selfish character. One believes in the principle of the least effort, and one prefers to leave things to chance, thus wasting many nice opportunities. ...

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[1] "His maternal grandfather was Ralph K. Davies, vice president of Standard Oil company and later chairman of the American President Lines shipping empire. His maternal grandmother was a philanthropist, and Louise M. Davies Symphony Hall in San Francisco was named after her. Through his father, he was a descendant of two signers of the Declaration of Independence, physician Benjamin Rush and Richard Stockton."

[2] "As a child he had dreams of becoming an astronaut. In 1980 he earned a commercial pilot's license at 18 years old, around the same time he graduated from Phillips Exeter Academy."

[3] "Wendy Weil Rush is a great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Blun Straus, the co-owners of Macy's department store who died in the Titanic sinking."

[4] "He was later told his visual acuity would disqualify him from becoming a military pilot, and he moved from San Francisco to Seattle to work for McDonnell Douglas as a flight-test engineer for F-15 Eagle jets."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton_Rush

[Mister Obvious]

Maybe his wife was the one who was originally obsessed with the Titanic and it rubbed off on him, or maybe he did it for her.

Wonder when/why he shifted his focus from space and flight to ocean exploration instead.

[Mister Obvious]

12:34 they're like ALL UP ON IT. That's incredibly unwise... I'm surprised nobody's ever died going down there before now.

14:46 what's so cool about it?? I seriously don't get it. What is so cool about it???

No one should have ever laid eyes on that ship again after it sank 2.5 miles underwater. It's just straight up inappropriate that they ever did.

And answer me this...

Do you really fucking think even HALF of these people would be this interested in the Titanic if tons of people hadn't died on it? Man fuck no. It'd be just another fucking shipwreck. Some people would be crazy enough to go hunting for treasure on it (which would have been fine if no one had died), the same people who already do that sorta shit.

But these people paying $250k to go down there, and the people like Cameron who made special vehicles to go down there...

They're only interested because 1000+ people died on the ship when it sank, that's why. That's fucking why.

And no one HAD to die...



7:58 that's the fucked up part about it. No one had to die. They died because of negligence as an innocent excuse, and at the worst, a conspiracy to kill some of the wealthiest men of the era who were on board at the time. John Jacob Astor IV, Benjamin Guggenheim, and Isidor Straus opposed the Federal Reserve, which was established a year later in 1913.

18:34 there was a ship that could have rescued people but they didn't, and the excuse was that the Titanic only had white flares and the red (emergency) flares mysteriously never got loaded onto the ship.

So I'm just saying...

If no one had died, no one would be obsessed with the Titanic today and they certainly wouldn't risk their lives to go see it.

[Mister Obvious]

THIS GUY MUST BE FUN AT PARTIES

[Mister Obvious]

Yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes.

Gives some perspective on the people who have taken that journey before and how it could have been any of these people who died in the Titan.

Rush really did see it as an exploration and a pioneering of uncharted territory.

He just really fucked up by taking the wrong approach with his desire to innovate.

He should have come at it from a standpoint of rallying interest behind ocean exploration, he should have pioneered a global awareness of the importance of exploring the ocean.

Instead of getting the proper momentum behind the whole concept, he went straight into trying to get down there by any means necessary to start fulfilling his vision.

He wanted it all to happen too fast... that's just not how things work in this world. If he'd taken the Elon approach, he'd have resolved himself to the fact that the perfecting of his vision may not even take place in his own lifetime.

But it would have been worth the wait in order to do it right, make it longstanding, rally interest and focus and determination toward the end goal.

What a shame.

[Mister Obvious]

16:43 lol... been there done that. Not fun, despite the laughing. The smaller the ship, the worse it is.

17:10 I collect water from special places and I've heard a lot of other people talk about such things too. I think it's natural human inclination.

This video is a good thing for history... shows that these people took what they did pretty damn seriously, and they weren't just out there jerking off like a bunch of amateurs. I wish things had ultimately gone differently for Rush's dream. A lot of "experts" on interviews have admitted this is a setback in the public eye for the whole industry.

We're shooting ourselves in the foot by not putting more focus on ocean exploration. I've been saying it for a long time, just as a lot of other people have. We have no business being out in space until we've conquered the exploration of our own planet, and the waters in particular.

[Mister Obvious]

Azmeh Dawood — the older sister of Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood — told NBC News that her nephew, Suleman, informed a relative that he "wasn't very up for it" and felt "terrified" about the trip to explore the wreckage of the Titanic.

But the 19-year-old ended up going aboard OceanGate's 22-foot submersible because the trip fell over Father's Day weekend and he was eager to please his dad, who was passionate about the lore of the Titanic, according to Azmeh.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/titan...-rcna90678

That suuuuuuucks.

[FungusSadForPeeps]

I dunno seemed like a piece of shit like some boats ive had and when I tried to get them registered NOT ALLOWED had to take them home and fix things.
Boats and subs here any watercraft have to be inspected and deemed sea worthy.
If they had that there maybe those people would be alive?
And all these people come out now and say they had safety concerns what evil fucks they should have voiced these concerns BEFORE these people died.

[Mister Obvious]

This emo/goth Johnnie Guilbert guy is oddly attractive to me, NGL.

[Mister Obvious]

I'm usually not into that kinda shit but... I dunno, I like him. He's pretty right on.

[Mister Obvious]

OMG here he is with Amouranth...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CoQAFwQPWw0

*fapping noises*

[Mister Obvious]

"I don't think if you push forward with dives to the Titanic this season it will be succumbing to financial pressures," Stanley wrote to Rush. "I think it will be succumbing to pressures of your own creation in some part dictated by ego to do what people said couldn't be done."

https://www.insider.com/submersible-expe...ism-2023-6